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BARNSLEY, Yorkshire

 

Children of Charles Dorling born 1841 Bacton, Sfk = Sarah Tyte

 

Adelaide Alice

1863 Bacton

= Joel Priestley

Kate Emma

1865 Bacton 

sunday school teacher, corset fitter/seller

=George Page

Charles 

1870 Walthamstow

Glassblower

= Eliza Harper

8 daus, 3 sons

Walter

1872 Bacton

Publican

= Emma Hellawell

2 daughters Ruth & Miriam

George

1875 Barnsley`

= Ada Fox

son Leslie killed WW1, 

adopted daughter Annie.

John William

1878 Barnsley

= Hannah Milner

1 son, 3 daus

Robert Edward

1882

Miner, publican Barnsley

= Harriet Walker

2 sons, 1 dau died

 

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Champion cream cracker eater!

 
Information from Margaret Spencer nee Dorling about Robert Edward (1882 Barnsley) and George (1901 Barnsley) written in 1985
"Grandad (Robert Edward 1882 Ardsley, Barnsley) worked most of his life at the pits but I think he started work as a gardener.  

Robert Edward

born 1882 Barnsley

   

I always understood that his father (Charles 1841) came to Barnsley to be a gardener but went into the pit when his family needed the money but there doesn't seem to be any proof of that [In fact Charles worked in the glass industry KH]  

However, when I was probably about 6 or 7 Grandad took over the licence of the Pheasant Inn from his brother Walter who had just died.  They stopped there until the beginning of the war, when people didn't go out much because of the blackout and a lot of the young men who were his best customers had to go into the forces.  As they were tenants they had to stand all the losses themselves and so they had to leave.  After that he did fire watching at the brewery and a bit of care-taking at the Young Men's Institute.

    He was very good at mending things especially chairs etc and had endless patience with difficult things.  As far as hobbies went he was a man of his time, he drank a lot, smoked a lot (Robin cigarettes) and if he had any money left he gambled it away, he didn't seem to be content until it had all gone.  All this sounds dreadful but he was a nice quiet kind man, I suppose he must have been frustrated in some way.  When I was small grandma was so dominant that I can't remember a lot about him but I realised that he was very fond and concerned about us when I grew up.  When Judy (Margaret's sister) was out on her bike he often used to sit on the wall and I am sure he just wanted to know that she had come in and was OK.

    He didn't talk much but I remember when I left school he said to me "Whatever you do don't get married young," as you know he was very young when he married.

    He never had very good health he had bronchitis or perhaps pneumoconiosis or silicosis, this got worse as he got older but he had x-rays at the centre in Sheffield but because of his heavy smoking they couldn't say what contributed most to his condition i.e. cigs or the pits, it wouldn't have made a lot of difference to him except that he could have got compensation.  His eyes were odd too they were white round the iris but whether this was illness or inherited I don't know.

    He was a great meat eater, when Grandma went to Bridlington to help either his sister or Uncle Edward he used to buy 2lbs of shin beef and mother cooked it and she had to leave it in big pieces and he ate some of this every day with bread.  He would not come to our house for a meal what ever we said, he was a very private reserved man.

    I know several stories that Grandma told about him but he never was able to defend himself or give his point of view so it doesn't seem fair to put them in a family history.

 

  Dad (George 1900 Hoyle Mill, Barnsley) was very much like Grandad in that he was quiet and reserved, he was also very kind but did his good deeds discretely.  They were both alike physically quite big but no fast at all probably because of their jobs, in fact Dad used to put on about a stone when we were on holiday.
George

  born 1900 Barnsley

George was 

posthumously 

awarded the 

George Medal

Dad started work at a local glass works in the office, but as was quite common, when he wanted more money he had to leave and went into the pit - Barnsley Main, with his father.  When this happened it was the first world war and I've never been sure whether he went into the pits instead of the army or chose himself to do this.  I do know that Grandma didn't want either him or Uncle Edward to be miners but they both did about that time.

    I think that at that time they worked in gangs, the ganger being Grandad, and he got the pay for them all and sorted it out.  As soon as dad started he did the reckoning up and this went on right up to his death as every one trusted him and knew that his arithmetic was perfect.  Although Dad left school at about 13 he was marvellous at maths particularly mental arithmetic.  He also could play the piano, nothing difficult, but he managed to play hymns at chapel and he only had lessons for three months from Novella (cousin).  He loved music particularly choral.

    My first memories of dad were riding on the crossbar of his bike, going into the woods and collecting sand for the sand pit he made for us.  He was a very good decorator, our house always looked different to everyone else's even when we lived in a council house and they were all build alike.  he was a very good gardener and won prizes when we lived at Kendray.  When Grandma and Grandad had the big garden at the pub, dad spent a lot of time doing their garden.  he could do anything in the house including cooking and used to help mother a lot so that they could go out together when he was on nights.  He always worked afternoons or night shifts he didn't like days.  He had a heavy job but didn't seem to need a lot of sleep, he could sleep anywhere and often put a cushion on the floor and slept in front of the fire.

    He followed Barnsley football club as you probably know and took your Dad (Jack 1926) with him from being very young.

Jack born 1926

son of George 1900

  He was also a cricket lover and used to get up early to listen to tests from Australia on the radio.

    His hobbies apart from gardening, sport and decorating for anybody that asked him were mostly concerned with chapel, he did everything except preach.  He was Sunday School Leader, Choirmaster, Caretaker, Treasurer and Steward.  he kept all the books immaculately and I suspect put money in without telling anybody.

    He had a very sweet tooth and would even have buns after his breakfast, he could eat an awful lot but didn't eat much before or during his work he took water or cold tea and jam and bread for his SNAP.  I expect this was because he worked in very low seams, just crawling about in places no higher than a table and damp as well.  Its dreadful to think of it but it was so common in Barnsley you didn't think much about it.

    Although Dad didn't drink or smoke he wasn't sanctimonious about it and didn't preach about it to others.  He worked with some of the roughest men in the area but they all respected him and at the inquest when he died one of the men said to Uncle George "You know he wasn't like us at all but he just used to say he'd go his way and it was up to us what we did" or words to that effect.

    I should think that Dad had a happy childhood.  Most of Grandma Dorlings family lived in Hoyle Mill and although they were poor and lived in pretty bad housing they were a very warm close family and all dad's Aunts were very fond of him as he was the eldest of their nephews."

    

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